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		<title>By: Canadian Personal Finance Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Random Thoughts: $50 Billion is a lot of money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Personal Finance Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Random Thoughts: $50 Billion is a lot of money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vaz Oxlade points out that spending Cash may cut spending in Cash versus Credit [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/668/comment-page-1#comment-12010</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the discretionary portion of my budget, I&#039;m definitely a cash kinda guy. I budget $100 a month for transport (gas, bus tickets, etc) and $300 for entertainment (which I think is pretty generous, but it&#039;s amazing how easy it is to go through!). I tend to take these out as cash. I find it a good restraint to know that if I buy a nice bottle of wine or go out for dinner (my two most typical indulgences) that it&#039;s going to mean that much less money for similar indulgences later on in the month. Now there have been months where I&#039;ve treated friends to dinner a couple times, bought some nice bottles of wine and maybe a book or two, and run out of money by the 15th... it means a pretty tight and cheerless rest of the month, because I refuse to compromise my goal of being debt-free by May 2011 (and I&#039;m still on track - yay!). It&#039;s a great way to encourage both mindful spending and moderation :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the discretionary portion of my budget, I&#8217;m definitely a cash kinda guy. I budget $100 a month for transport (gas, bus tickets, etc) and $300 for entertainment (which I think is pretty generous, but it&#8217;s amazing how easy it is to go through!). I tend to take these out as cash. I find it a good restraint to know that if I buy a nice bottle of wine or go out for dinner (my two most typical indulgences) that it&#8217;s going to mean that much less money for similar indulgences later on in the month. Now there have been months where I&#8217;ve treated friends to dinner a couple times, bought some nice bottles of wine and maybe a book or two, and run out of money by the 15th&#8230; it means a pretty tight and cheerless rest of the month, because I refuse to compromise my goal of being debt-free by May 2011 (and I&#8217;m still on track &#8211; yay!). It&#8217;s a great way to encourage both mindful spending and moderation <img src='http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Wanda</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/668/comment-page-1#comment-12001</link>
		<dc:creator>Wanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catherine and Marie, Thanks for the tips.....I now have a &#039;cash stash&#039; for that all important taxi ride home late at night!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine and Marie, Thanks for the tips&#8230;..I now have a &#8216;cash stash&#8217; for that all important taxi ride home late at night!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/668/comment-page-1#comment-11901</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 03:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like using cash, but sometimes i find it hard to keep track of it.  most of the time i just make sure we are within our monthly budget (using excel budget calendar). i like using CCs just for the points.  last weekend we were able to get our airconditioner paying only 25% of the price because we used our rewards points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like using cash, but sometimes i find it hard to keep track of it.  most of the time i just make sure we are within our monthly budget (using excel budget calendar). i like using CCs just for the points.  last weekend we were able to get our airconditioner paying only 25% of the price because we used our rewards points.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/668/comment-page-1#comment-11900</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 03:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff-- you made me smile. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff&#8211; you made me smile. <img src='http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: winkwink</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/668/comment-page-1#comment-11889</link>
		<dc:creator>winkwink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 19:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: bank accounts...

My boyfriend and I have way too many bank accounts, but haven&#039;t figured out how to remedy this yet.

Me:
Bank 1 - Chequing, Savings, TFSA, MasterCard
Bank 2 - RRSPs
Bank 3 - working out the details of a mortgage?
Bank 4 - Chequing

Him:
Bank 4 (again) - Chequing
Bank 5 - LOC, Savings

Us:
Bank 4 (again) - Joint account (for rent, utility bills, and car payments)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: bank accounts&#8230;</p>
<p>My boyfriend and I have way too many bank accounts, but haven&#8217;t figured out how to remedy this yet.</p>
<p>Me:<br />
Bank 1 &#8211; Chequing, Savings, TFSA, MasterCard<br />
Bank 2 &#8211; RRSPs<br />
Bank 3 &#8211; working out the details of a mortgage?<br />
Bank 4 &#8211; Chequing</p>
<p>Him:<br />
Bank 4 (again) &#8211; Chequing<br />
Bank 5 &#8211; LOC, Savings</p>
<p>Us:<br />
Bank 4 (again) &#8211; Joint account (for rent, utility bills, and car payments)</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/668/comment-page-1#comment-11888</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 19:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff - maybe your wife needs to be set up with Gail&#039;s Jar System...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff &#8211; maybe your wife needs to be set up with Gail&#8217;s Jar System&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 19:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cash, credit, it doesn&#039;t matter. Wife still wants to buy whatever is on sale. sigh sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cash, credit, it doesn&#8217;t matter. Wife still wants to buy whatever is on sale. sigh sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rarely use cash. Most of the time when I use cash will be in situations where I can&#039;t use my credit card. I only use my debit when I can&#039;t use my credit card.

In the end it&#039;s all about being aware. I use a computer program that uses the &quot;jar&quot; methodology. I usually have a rough idea of what I have for groceries, clothing, entertainment and random things. I definitely know when things are getting low.

Using cash is a pain. If you&#039;re going to go for grocery shopping and other things you have to make sure you have enough cash on you. I just know what I can spend, and that&#039;s that. Swipe the card (or tap it) and you&#039;re good to go.

It&#039;s also way easier to balance your budget when you have numbers online for your accounts then to go and count up your change.

If you have any sort of discipline I think cash is just a hassle. 

If you&#039;ve been in the mindset where you just bought whatever, swiped your card and forgot then I can see how having to use the cash could have a rehabilitating effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rarely use cash. Most of the time when I use cash will be in situations where I can&#8217;t use my credit card. I only use my debit when I can&#8217;t use my credit card.</p>
<p>In the end it&#8217;s all about being aware. I use a computer program that uses the &#8220;jar&#8221; methodology. I usually have a rough idea of what I have for groceries, clothing, entertainment and random things. I definitely know when things are getting low.</p>
<p>Using cash is a pain. If you&#8217;re going to go for grocery shopping and other things you have to make sure you have enough cash on you. I just know what I can spend, and that&#8217;s that. Swipe the card (or tap it) and you&#8217;re good to go.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also way easier to balance your budget when you have numbers online for your accounts then to go and count up your change.</p>
<p>If you have any sort of discipline I think cash is just a hassle. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve been in the mindset where you just bought whatever, swiped your card and forgot then I can see how having to use the cash could have a rehabilitating effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wanda:
The rules of going out, never leave home without ALL the following:
- one bus ticket
- enough change to call for a cab (25-50 cents)
- enough money for a cab ride home
Sometimes combining the bus ticket and the cab ride helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanda:<br />
The rules of going out, never leave home without ALL the following:<br />
- one bus ticket<br />
- enough change to call for a cab (25-50 cents)<br />
- enough money for a cab ride home<br />
Sometimes combining the bus ticket and the cab ride helps!</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good message Gail!
Marcie~I can&#039;t say I&#039;m on the same page with you and others here.  Whether I have cash in my wallet or my CC&#039;s I still hear Gail&#039;s voice in my head &#039;do you really need that?&#039;  I drink my coffee at home and don&#039;t eat sweets - so am not tempted with them while out.  Live in the boonies so no major shopping available.
We have a savings account, chequing account, RRSP&#039;s account, and TFSA&#039;s for each of us.  The first two are those we use most.
Wanda~I switched our TD CC from the lower rate to the higher one as it is always paid in full at the end of the month and with the higher rate at the end of the year there is a cash rebate.  Besides, we don&#039;t use our cards much and know we won&#039;t get into trouble with it.
Please, do keep some cash tucked away in your wallet - don&#039;t like to hear of you walking so late at night by yourself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good message Gail!<br />
Marcie~I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m on the same page with you and others here.  Whether I have cash in my wallet or my CC&#8217;s I still hear Gail&#8217;s voice in my head &#8216;do you really need that?&#8217;  I drink my coffee at home and don&#8217;t eat sweets &#8211; so am not tempted with them while out.  Live in the boonies so no major shopping available.<br />
We have a savings account, chequing account, RRSP&#8217;s account, and TFSA&#8217;s for each of us.  The first two are those we use most.<br />
Wanda~I switched our TD CC from the lower rate to the higher one as it is always paid in full at the end of the month and with the higher rate at the end of the year there is a cash rebate.  Besides, we don&#8217;t use our cards much and know we won&#8217;t get into trouble with it.<br />
Please, do keep some cash tucked away in your wallet &#8211; don&#8217;t like to hear of you walking so late at night by yourself!</p>
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		<title>By: Wanda</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/668/comment-page-1#comment-11879</link>
		<dc:creator>Wanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 17:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gail, 
Did you write this post for me today?  I cut up my one and only credit card yesterday after a bank representative indicated to me how much better it was to have a credit card at 19% with rewards than to have a credit card with no rewards but at 11%.  Honest to Betsy, how did I get convinced to take a rewards card knowing that I am not good at paying off the card in full.

Just one other thing that you have said here before Gail but transferring a balance from a credit card to a secure line of credit might be okay under certain conditions, ie if you know you are not ever going to use the credit card but a financial representative suggests this to you because they know that most people will run up their credit card yet again.  For the consumer, it just means bigger debt, for the financial institutions it means more interest.

There was only one disadvantage of cutting up my credit card last night.  I went to work till 11:00 p.m. and expected to use my debit card to take out cash to pay for a taxi home.  The bank&#039;s website was down and I had to walk 20 minutes home.  Walking in the dark after 11:00 p.m. gave me time to think and from here on in I will have a little emergency cash tucked away in my wallet. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gail,<br />
Did you write this post for me today?  I cut up my one and only credit card yesterday after a bank representative indicated to me how much better it was to have a credit card at 19% with rewards than to have a credit card with no rewards but at 11%.  Honest to Betsy, how did I get convinced to take a rewards card knowing that I am not good at paying off the card in full.</p>
<p>Just one other thing that you have said here before Gail but transferring a balance from a credit card to a secure line of credit might be okay under certain conditions, ie if you know you are not ever going to use the credit card but a financial representative suggests this to you because they know that most people will run up their credit card yet again.  For the consumer, it just means bigger debt, for the financial institutions it means more interest.</p>
<p>There was only one disadvantage of cutting up my credit card last night.  I went to work till 11:00 p.m. and expected to use my debit card to take out cash to pay for a taxi home.  The bank&#8217;s website was down and I had to walk 20 minutes home.  Walking in the dark after 11:00 p.m. gave me time to think and from here on in I will have a little emergency cash tucked away in my wallet. <img src='http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Marcie&#039;s question:

I have four bank accounts. Maybe that&#039;s a lot, I don&#039;t know. I&#039;d be curious to know what sort of bank account set up other people have too:

1) The Personal Savings Account (at a regular bank) - out of which I make all of my day to day transactions and into which I pay myself regularly out of the second account...

2) The Business Account (at the same regular bank) – I&#039;m a sole proprietor and the only reason I got this account was so I could accept cheques in my company name. This is the account that grows and needs to be emptied regularly. (ie. money for longer term savings gets transferred into the third account...) 

3) The Longer Term Savings (a virtual/online bank) – this account I opened in an effort to have a place to drop money that was less accessible to me. The bank is not my usual bank (noted above). It is virtual one (so I don&#039;t have as much access to bank machines as I do with the other two accounts), plus I decided not to get cheques or an ATM card for this account. It is a place where money goes in (usually via electronic transfer from one of the other accounts) and doesn&#039;t often come out. Under the auspices of this bank I have a regular savings account as well as a couple of term deposits. Every so often I&#039;ll pull money out of this bank (ie. when a term deposit matures), and drop it into an RRSP at my financial advisor&#039;s office (I guess you could call that the fourth account) where it will not be touched until I retire...

4) RRSPs/Investment Account - this fourth account is for stocks and bonds; more risky and/or long term investments.

I am really at the point where I could close the account at the virtual bank because I&#039;m pretty good with my money and I don&#039;t feel I necessarily need the added separation of that money from my day-to-day account. Also, from a paperwork point of view, I&#039;d really like to have one less statement to keep track of especially as I can do all the same things I do at the virtual bank with my regular bank. Never hurts to experiment though. It&#039;s your money afterall...do what&#039;s right for you. It doesn&#039;t cost you anything to start a new bank account, just don&#039;t apply for a line of credit, credit cards, ATM card or cheques if you want this account to be primarily for incoming and not for outgoing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Marcie&#8217;s question:</p>
<p>I have four bank accounts. Maybe that&#8217;s a lot, I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;d be curious to know what sort of bank account set up other people have too:</p>
<p>1) The Personal Savings Account (at a regular bank) &#8211; out of which I make all of my day to day transactions and into which I pay myself regularly out of the second account&#8230;</p>
<p>2) The Business Account (at the same regular bank) – I&#8217;m a sole proprietor and the only reason I got this account was so I could accept cheques in my company name. This is the account that grows and needs to be emptied regularly. (ie. money for longer term savings gets transferred into the third account&#8230;) </p>
<p>3) The Longer Term Savings (a virtual/online bank) – this account I opened in an effort to have a place to drop money that was less accessible to me. The bank is not my usual bank (noted above). It is virtual one (so I don&#8217;t have as much access to bank machines as I do with the other two accounts), plus I decided not to get cheques or an ATM card for this account. It is a place where money goes in (usually via electronic transfer from one of the other accounts) and doesn&#8217;t often come out. Under the auspices of this bank I have a regular savings account as well as a couple of term deposits. Every so often I&#8217;ll pull money out of this bank (ie. when a term deposit matures), and drop it into an RRSP at my financial advisor&#8217;s office (I guess you could call that the fourth account) where it will not be touched until I retire&#8230;</p>
<p>4) RRSPs/Investment Account &#8211; this fourth account is for stocks and bonds; more risky and/or long term investments.</p>
<p>I am really at the point where I could close the account at the virtual bank because I&#8217;m pretty good with my money and I don&#8217;t feel I necessarily need the added separation of that money from my day-to-day account. Also, from a paperwork point of view, I&#8217;d really like to have one less statement to keep track of especially as I can do all the same things I do at the virtual bank with my regular bank. Never hurts to experiment though. It&#8217;s your money afterall&#8230;do what&#8217;s right for you. It doesn&#8217;t cost you anything to start a new bank account, just don&#8217;t apply for a line of credit, credit cards, ATM card or cheques if you want this account to be primarily for incoming and not for outgoing.</p>
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		<title>By: *pol</title>
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		<dc:creator>*pol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with Marcie, the tiny cash amounts will get me into trouble every time. But if I know I don&#039;t have the hard cash in my wallet, I don&#039;t bother with the coffee or chocolate bar, and skip the convenience store all together, just paying for the gas at the pump with my card. 

I find with the credit card, I know I HAVE to pay it every month so I use it sparingly. I use is strickly for life necessities like gas and groceries. And there is nothing like paying for the whole month&#039;s groceries in one lump sum for making you think harder about buying extras, like cookies! It hurts! BUT because I refuse to pay interest on these consumable items, it really does force me to make more thoughtful choices about what I am willing to put on that card. And to top it off -- knowing that the big grocery bill is coming I tend to avoid other shopping all together!

That having been said, I suppose if I really didn&#039;t connect the purchase with my immediate cash (if I let myself believe it was free for 21 days), I might be more loose with the plastic -- especially if I thought I deserved the treat or it was a great deal or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with Marcie, the tiny cash amounts will get me into trouble every time. But if I know I don&#8217;t have the hard cash in my wallet, I don&#8217;t bother with the coffee or chocolate bar, and skip the convenience store all together, just paying for the gas at the pump with my card. </p>
<p>I find with the credit card, I know I HAVE to pay it every month so I use it sparingly. I use is strickly for life necessities like gas and groceries. And there is nothing like paying for the whole month&#8217;s groceries in one lump sum for making you think harder about buying extras, like cookies! It hurts! BUT because I refuse to pay interest on these consumable items, it really does force me to make more thoughtful choices about what I am willing to put on that card. And to top it off &#8212; knowing that the big grocery bill is coming I tend to avoid other shopping all together!</p>
<p>That having been said, I suppose if I really didn&#8217;t connect the purchase with my immediate cash (if I let myself believe it was free for 21 days), I might be more loose with the plastic &#8212; especially if I thought I deserved the treat or it was a great deal or something.</p>
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		<title>By: EchoLake</title>
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		<dc:creator>EchoLake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I write down everything we spend in a book similar to the one that Gail gives people on TDDUP. I do this twice per month and at the end of the month break everything down to categories. It doesn&#039;t matter if we spend cash or use the CC - money is money. If we don&#039;t have a receipt we write it on a slip of paper and it goes in our receipt box - even if the amount is only a few cents. We don&#039;t have a budget, we do have automatic savings each month for both retirement and planned spending. Most months extra funds are added to savings because rarely do we spend all of what we made.

I have thought about making a formal budget - but my fear is that if I have a certain amount allocated to clothing or other stuff I will feel obligated to spend it (even if I don&#039;t need to). The way we do things I think about every purchase before I make it - do I really need it (most of the time I talk myself out of buying stuff). I know a lot of people who could use a formal budget - but for some reason our way works for us. I guess everybody relates to money differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I write down everything we spend in a book similar to the one that Gail gives people on TDDUP. I do this twice per month and at the end of the month break everything down to categories. It doesn&#8217;t matter if we spend cash or use the CC &#8211; money is money. If we don&#8217;t have a receipt we write it on a slip of paper and it goes in our receipt box &#8211; even if the amount is only a few cents. We don&#8217;t have a budget, we do have automatic savings each month for both retirement and planned spending. Most months extra funds are added to savings because rarely do we spend all of what we made.</p>
<p>I have thought about making a formal budget &#8211; but my fear is that if I have a certain amount allocated to clothing or other stuff I will feel obligated to spend it (even if I don&#8217;t need to). The way we do things I think about every purchase before I make it &#8211; do I really need it (most of the time I talk myself out of buying stuff). I know a lot of people who could use a formal budget &#8211; but for some reason our way works for us. I guess everybody relates to money differently.</p>
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