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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/583/comment-page-1#comment-17081</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to mention above that the EI payment I would receive will more than cover the amount of my salary which is required to balance our budget, so as long as we stop investing, saving or travelling (which is what the rest of my salary buys) we&#039;re fine financially.  We don&#039;t have an official emergency fund set up as my DH works for the government and would get a good severance package, and EI covers enough of my salary to balance. If we want a little wiggle room we&#039;ll simply cut a little more from the grocery budget and opt out of a few Christmas events and gift exchanges. I&#039;m really just wondering if I am allowed to earn anything if I wind up on EI, or should I get busy with that PT job now because I&#039;ll need to quit it if I wind up in EI for a little while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to mention above that the EI payment I would receive will more than cover the amount of my salary which is required to balance our budget, so as long as we stop investing, saving or travelling (which is what the rest of my salary buys) we&#8217;re fine financially.  We don&#8217;t have an official emergency fund set up as my DH works for the government and would get a good severance package, and EI covers enough of my salary to balance. If we want a little wiggle room we&#8217;ll simply cut a little more from the grocery budget and opt out of a few Christmas events and gift exchanges. I&#8217;m really just wondering if I am allowed to earn anything if I wind up on EI, or should I get busy with that PT job now because I&#8217;ll need to quit it if I wind up in EI for a little while.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/583/comment-page-1#comment-17080</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be laid off from my job in the next 3-6 months - I don&#039;t know the exact date for me, the end is drawing near. I am of course looking for a new job, but because my company is in bankruptcy protection there won&#039;t be any severance package to tide me over if I am laid off and haven&#039;t found my next job. Our only debt is our mortgage and we live way below our means (~50% of take home), so while it won&#039;t be desperate immediately I want to be as prepared for the worst as possible.  

I am planning to get a part time job now and bank all the extra income as my DIY severance package. My thinking is that if I wind up on EI I won&#039;t be able to have a part time job at that point or I&#039;ll just cut into my payments. I&#039;ve only ever collected maternity leave benefits which is a special case so I&#039;m not really sure now the whole EI thing works.  If I find a new job before I&#039;m laid off none of this will matter, but in case I don&#039;t I figure I should double up my hours and build up a little extra now while I can.  Does this line of thinking sound reasonable? Does anyone know if you can earn any PT income without impacting your EI payments? I&#039;ll qualify for the maximum EI payment based on salary, but is there some amount I can earn in addition without screwing that up.  I hope to move seamlessly from my current job to a new one, but I just want to have all the information ahead of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be laid off from my job in the next 3-6 months &#8211; I don&#8217;t know the exact date for me, the end is drawing near. I am of course looking for a new job, but because my company is in bankruptcy protection there won&#8217;t be any severance package to tide me over if I am laid off and haven&#8217;t found my next job. Our only debt is our mortgage and we live way below our means (~50% of take home), so while it won&#8217;t be desperate immediately I want to be as prepared for the worst as possible.  </p>
<p>I am planning to get a part time job now and bank all the extra income as my DIY severance package. My thinking is that if I wind up on EI I won&#8217;t be able to have a part time job at that point or I&#8217;ll just cut into my payments. I&#8217;ve only ever collected maternity leave benefits which is a special case so I&#8217;m not really sure now the whole EI thing works.  If I find a new job before I&#8217;m laid off none of this will matter, but in case I don&#8217;t I figure I should double up my hours and build up a little extra now while I can.  Does this line of thinking sound reasonable? Does anyone know if you can earn any PT income without impacting your EI payments? I&#8217;ll qualify for the maximum EI payment based on salary, but is there some amount I can earn in addition without screwing that up.  I hope to move seamlessly from my current job to a new one, but I just want to have all the information ahead of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/583/comment-page-1#comment-10813</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thoughts... but let&#039;s not forget to be very VERY careful about the &quot;work from home, make more money&quot; scams that are out there.  Not all, but enought that have bitten people in the butt before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thoughts&#8230; but let&#8217;s not forget to be very VERY careful about the &#8220;work from home, make more money&#8221; scams that are out there.  Not all, but enought that have bitten people in the butt before.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/583/comment-page-1#comment-10713</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 14:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunflowermel:

I have been where you were...best of luck in coninuing to be well and work.  the psychological cost to a couple of a long term illness is huge, so I think if you can afford the concert you really must celebrate!

Hugs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunflowermel:</p>
<p>I have been where you were&#8230;best of luck in coninuing to be well and work.  the psychological cost to a couple of a long term illness is huge, so I think if you can afford the concert you really must celebrate!</p>
<p>Hugs!</p>
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		<title>By: Goal "0" Debt</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/583/comment-page-1#comment-10705</link>
		<dc:creator>Goal "0" Debt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 13:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I own that car your talking about, Premium Fuel, Extra Insurance (I have 2 other cars), the only problem is that to sell it at a big loss turns my stomach. There are to many smart folks here thought to post a &quot;Car for Sale&quot; ad.

LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I own that car your talking about, Premium Fuel, Extra Insurance (I have 2 other cars), the only problem is that to sell it at a big loss turns my stomach. There are to many smart folks here thought to post a &#8220;Car for Sale&#8221; ad.</p>
<p>LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Gail says...</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail says...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 11:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, if family time is important to you, then you&#039;ll make sure that the time you spend with them is rich and full of love. However, when you were out creating the debt, the thought of the cost in family time didn&#039;t even come up. Now that it has, perhaps that will be what keeps you on the straight and narrow in the future. For the present, however, getting the debt paid off has to be the priority. The risk to the family in towing that debt around is just as real and the pleasure you get from being with your family. 

Jesse, I do not think using your emergency fund to pay down debt is a good idea. If something were to come up, having no stash of cash would push you right back to your credit.

I know a lot of you are on the minimalist path, but please don&#039;t think that what I preach is minimalism... my house if full of stuff, stuff I enjoy looking at, stuff I enjoy sharing with friends: plants, books, movies, nice dishes (including that white china.) My message is simple: you can have whatever you want provided you are paying for it with money you&#039;ve already earned, you&#039;re not carrying any consumer debt, you&#039;re saving something, and you have all your risks covered. It&#039;s a case of taking care of the details first. You aren&#039;t entitled to stuff you must pay for with credit! That&#039;s just dumb. And no matter what mistakes you may have made in the past, it is now time to pay up and move on to a life that is rich with joy and experience.

Planning like a pessimist so you can live like an optimist means that once the details are all in the bag, you can go about doing whatever the hell you want with you money. It&#039;s your money. You earned it. Have a great time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, if family time is important to you, then you&#8217;ll make sure that the time you spend with them is rich and full of love. However, when you were out creating the debt, the thought of the cost in family time didn&#8217;t even come up. Now that it has, perhaps that will be what keeps you on the straight and narrow in the future. For the present, however, getting the debt paid off has to be the priority. The risk to the family in towing that debt around is just as real and the pleasure you get from being with your family. </p>
<p>Jesse, I do not think using your emergency fund to pay down debt is a good idea. If something were to come up, having no stash of cash would push you right back to your credit.</p>
<p>I know a lot of you are on the minimalist path, but please don&#8217;t think that what I preach is minimalism&#8230; my house if full of stuff, stuff I enjoy looking at, stuff I enjoy sharing with friends: plants, books, movies, nice dishes (including that white china.) My message is simple: you can have whatever you want provided you are paying for it with money you&#8217;ve already earned, you&#8217;re not carrying any consumer debt, you&#8217;re saving something, and you have all your risks covered. It&#8217;s a case of taking care of the details first. You aren&#8217;t entitled to stuff you must pay for with credit! That&#8217;s just dumb. And no matter what mistakes you may have made in the past, it is now time to pay up and move on to a life that is rich with joy and experience.</p>
<p>Planning like a pessimist so you can live like an optimist means that once the details are all in the bag, you can go about doing whatever the hell you want with you money. It&#8217;s your money. You earned it. Have a great time!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan @ Saving For Serenity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan @ Saving For Serenity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 04:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a question for you, Gail.

If the choice comes between working an extra 20 hours a week, or paying some more interest on your debts, which is the better choice? I know, I know, you preach &quot;get out of debt&quot; like there&#039;s no other answer, but what if your interest rate isn&#039;t that low. Wouldn&#039;t it be worth the extra few dollars to live a somewhat normal life?

Obviously this can only be the case IF you&#039;ve stopped charging credit, getting into debt, and have a debt repayment plan.

Like, if you work the math, and it turns out that your extra job will save you like, $400 in interest over the next two months, isn&#039;t it worth the extra 20 hours a week at home with your family for $400?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a question for you, Gail.</p>
<p>If the choice comes between working an extra 20 hours a week, or paying some more interest on your debts, which is the better choice? I know, I know, you preach &#8220;get out of debt&#8221; like there&#8217;s no other answer, but what if your interest rate isn&#8217;t that low. Wouldn&#8217;t it be worth the extra few dollars to live a somewhat normal life?</p>
<p>Obviously this can only be the case IF you&#8217;ve stopped charging credit, getting into debt, and have a debt repayment plan.</p>
<p>Like, if you work the math, and it turns out that your extra job will save you like, $400 in interest over the next two months, isn&#8217;t it worth the extra 20 hours a week at home with your family for $400?</p>
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		<title>By: Saver Queen</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/583/comment-page-1#comment-10671</link>
		<dc:creator>Saver Queen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 20:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diana - I liked your comment. I think it&#039;s about aligning your values with your spending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diana &#8211; I liked your comment. I think it&#8217;s about aligning your values with your spending.</p>
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		<title>By: Pol*</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/583/comment-page-1#comment-10670</link>
		<dc:creator>Pol*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 20:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always Gail, you are the voice of reason.

Thank you for putting it so sensibly and thoroughly and giving us the little kick in the pants!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always Gail, you are the voice of reason.</p>
<p>Thank you for putting it so sensibly and thoroughly and giving us the little kick in the pants!</p>
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		<title>By: Saver Queen</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/583/comment-page-1#comment-10669</link>
		<dc:creator>Saver Queen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 20:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EchoLake and the others weighing in on the subject - 

I actually find that most people on Gail&#039;s blog are pretty down to earth and not all that materialistic.  If you were referring to Erran&#039;s comment, well, I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with working hard when you are young (Erran, I think you are around 30 years old?) to save for what you will want for the future (dp on a home, etc.) For that matter, there is nothing wrong with working hard for other monetary goals. It&#039;s a matter of personal choice.

I consider myself very frugal and easily satisfied.  I don&#039;t place a lot of value in &quot;stuff&quot;. That being said, there are still things I want to buy.  Traveling, for example, is a particular passion. I think that most people here would agree that once you pay down your debt, money is yours to do what you want with, as long as you are saving the suggested amount and living below your means. 

I don&#039;t disagree that for some folks, having less stuff is worth the increased family time. But I would caution against making sweeping judgements on this crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EchoLake and the others weighing in on the subject &#8211; </p>
<p>I actually find that most people on Gail&#8217;s blog are pretty down to earth and not all that materialistic.  If you were referring to Erran&#8217;s comment, well, I don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with working hard when you are young (Erran, I think you are around 30 years old?) to save for what you will want for the future (dp on a home, etc.) For that matter, there is nothing wrong with working hard for other monetary goals. It&#8217;s a matter of personal choice.</p>
<p>I consider myself very frugal and easily satisfied.  I don&#8217;t place a lot of value in &#8220;stuff&#8221;. That being said, there are still things I want to buy.  Traveling, for example, is a particular passion. I think that most people here would agree that once you pay down your debt, money is yours to do what you want with, as long as you are saving the suggested amount and living below your means. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree that for some folks, having less stuff is worth the increased family time. But I would caution against making sweeping judgements on this crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: sunflowermel</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunflowermel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 19:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been off work for 1.5 yrs with an illness.  In the past several months I have begun the slow process of returning to work.  While I was off, I was on LTD.  This was a huge help but fell short of what my salary once was.  This was an eye opener for us.  We took a second morgage on our home to pay off our debt and are determined NOT to get into that situation again.  As a celebration (hopefully not premature) of my return to work, we are going to go to a concert this summer but we made the agreement to pay for the expenses not on credit.  We are having a yard sale in a few weeks, my finacee gave up his coffee run on the way to work (brings it from home); putting the money he would have spent in a jar, and since we are living on cash (thanks to Gail) we are saving our change.  Normally our way of dealing with this would be to pay for it with credit of some sort, but no more.  It is ok if you do want something, you need to be able to afford it and plan for it.  Buying without thought is where we get into trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been off work for 1.5 yrs with an illness.  In the past several months I have begun the slow process of returning to work.  While I was off, I was on LTD.  This was a huge help but fell short of what my salary once was.  This was an eye opener for us.  We took a second morgage on our home to pay off our debt and are determined NOT to get into that situation again.  As a celebration (hopefully not premature) of my return to work, we are going to go to a concert this summer but we made the agreement to pay for the expenses not on credit.  We are having a yard sale in a few weeks, my finacee gave up his coffee run on the way to work (brings it from home); putting the money he would have spent in a jar, and since we are living on cash (thanks to Gail) we are saving our change.  Normally our way of dealing with this would be to pay for it with credit of some sort, but no more.  It is ok if you do want something, you need to be able to afford it and plan for it.  Buying without thought is where we get into trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 18:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  completely agree with Geoff (although comics are not my cup of tea).
If you can afford nice things, go for it.  I would rather save and get something wonderful from Restoration Hardward than buying junk at Jysk.
Your environment is an investment in your life and happiness.
Some people seem to be a bit smug about living the life of an ascetic, which I don&#039;t think is Gail&#039;s point.  Rather living the life you can HONESTLY afford but  which still fills your heart.  Not necessarily a battle between &quot;stuff&quot; or family or travel,  but a happy compromise of all things while still maintaining a safety net of money.
Unfortunately, we all have to face the reality that some people will always have more of all those things than we will, oh well, c&#039;est la vie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  completely agree with Geoff (although comics are not my cup of tea).<br />
If you can afford nice things, go for it.  I would rather save and get something wonderful from Restoration Hardward than buying junk at Jysk.<br />
Your environment is an investment in your life and happiness.<br />
Some people seem to be a bit smug about living the life of an ascetic, which I don&#8217;t think is Gail&#8217;s point.  Rather living the life you can HONESTLY afford but  which still fills your heart.  Not necessarily a battle between &#8220;stuff&#8221; or family or travel,  but a happy compromise of all things while still maintaining a safety net of money.<br />
Unfortunately, we all have to face the reality that some people will always have more of all those things than we will, oh well, c&#8217;est la vie.</p>
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		<title>By: Christy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 15:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are a single income family and we did think about my husband getting a part time job to help out paying down our debt.  Yes, we can work harder but we also need to balance work and family.  

We looked at the amount of debt owing and figured out that we could pay it off in 3 years just on my income alone.  This was before my raise and bonus.  Now it looks like it will be paid off a lot sooner than the three years.  

I like Gails advice to use 2 to 3 years as a timeline.  If your debt is so high that you have to work 2 or 3 jobs to get it paid off in 3 years then go for it, but if you can do it without going insane and working 80 hrs a week the stay the course.  

Having family time on the weekend, having time to invest in my marriage to me is worth taking a bit longer to pay off the debt.  No time with hubby might equal debt free but it might also equal a divorce lawyer.  I like my husband enough to go skip the laywer idea.

Now on that note if our situation was a lot worse than what it is then he would have had to have got a job, so I am grateful that it isn&#039;t!  My message is balance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are a single income family and we did think about my husband getting a part time job to help out paying down our debt.  Yes, we can work harder but we also need to balance work and family.  </p>
<p>We looked at the amount of debt owing and figured out that we could pay it off in 3 years just on my income alone.  This was before my raise and bonus.  Now it looks like it will be paid off a lot sooner than the three years.  </p>
<p>I like Gails advice to use 2 to 3 years as a timeline.  If your debt is so high that you have to work 2 or 3 jobs to get it paid off in 3 years then go for it, but if you can do it without going insane and working 80 hrs a week the stay the course.  </p>
<p>Having family time on the weekend, having time to invest in my marriage to me is worth taking a bit longer to pay off the debt.  No time with hubby might equal debt free but it might also equal a divorce lawyer.  I like my husband enough to go skip the laywer idea.</p>
<p>Now on that note if our situation was a lot worse than what it is then he would have had to have got a job, so I am grateful that it isn&#8217;t!  My message is balance!</p>
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		<title>By: Jessie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 15:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious what Gail thinks of using up an E-fund to pay down credit card debt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious what Gail thinks of using up an E-fund to pay down credit card debt?</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 15:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EchoLake -- there&#039;s nothing wrong with accumulation or working more to accumulate more. And it&#039;s not all &#039;crap&#039; -- some people, myself included, enjoy owning nice things that we enjoy (ie a comic book collection or vintage arcade machine) that aren&#039;t everyone&#039;s cup of tea. To some, it&#039;s never enough and if they can afford it, who are we to judge?  Just as there&#039;s nothing wrong with your approach, be careful on judging others. Now going into debt for stuff is just dumb, but Bill Gates has a bowling alley in his house which I think is awesome and I think he can swing the monthly payments...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EchoLake &#8212; there&#8217;s nothing wrong with accumulation or working more to accumulate more. And it&#8217;s not all &#8216;crap&#8217; &#8212; some people, myself included, enjoy owning nice things that we enjoy (ie a comic book collection or vintage arcade machine) that aren&#8217;t everyone&#8217;s cup of tea. To some, it&#8217;s never enough and if they can afford it, who are we to judge?  Just as there&#8217;s nothing wrong with your approach, be careful on judging others. Now going into debt for stuff is just dumb, but Bill Gates has a bowling alley in his house which I think is awesome and I think he can swing the monthly payments&#8230;</p>
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