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		<title>By: single parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>single parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of places offer really good scholarship programs which take care of most of the students&#039; college fees, not to mention provide other benefits, like day-care and health insurance</description>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi
I have almost a years worth of pay in RRSP.  Is it okay to think of this as my emergency savings?  I just opened a TFSA to start an emergency fund, but i am also thinking that RRSP season is almost done, is it worth it to top up my RRSP&#039;s till the end of February and then use my tax refund to start my emergency fund??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi<br />
I have almost a years worth of pay in RRSP.  Is it okay to think of this as my emergency savings?  I just opened a TFSA to start an emergency fund, but i am also thinking that RRSP season is almost done, is it worth it to top up my RRSP&#8217;s till the end of February and then use my tax refund to start my emergency fund??</p>
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		<title>By: Ajana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ajana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While paying off my debt, I have managed to claw together a one-month emergency fund. Although it will probably take me about 3 years to get a six-month emergency fund, just having that small amount saved makes me feel much better than I would feel had I put everything into paying down my debt.

I hope others thinking of putting off saving for their emergency fund will consider how nice it will be on the day the debt is gone AND there is money in the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While paying off my debt, I have managed to claw together a one-month emergency fund. Although it will probably take me about 3 years to get a six-month emergency fund, just having that small amount saved makes me feel much better than I would feel had I put everything into paying down my debt.</p>
<p>I hope others thinking of putting off saving for their emergency fund will consider how nice it will be on the day the debt is gone AND there is money in the bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Mountain Girl.

Also, because you have debt it makes it more important to have emergency fund.  You need those funds to be there just in case you get laid off from work, or you need to stop working due to illness.  Just because your income stop coming, you still need to make payments.

I have my saving accounts with Citizens Bank of Canada.  I used to be saving with ING until after I became unhappy with its customer service.  Anyway, like Gail says, find a bank that offers high interest saving accounts, and that you could be happy with.  There&#039;s no excuse not to have a saving account.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mountain Girl.</p>
<p>Also, because you have debt it makes it more important to have emergency fund.  You need those funds to be there just in case you get laid off from work, or you need to stop working due to illness.  Just because your income stop coming, you still need to make payments.</p>
<p>I have my saving accounts with Citizens Bank of Canada.  I used to be saving with ING until after I became unhappy with its customer service.  Anyway, like Gail says, find a bank that offers high interest saving accounts, and that you could be happy with.  There&#8217;s no excuse not to have a saving account.  <img src='http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mountain Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mountain Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you need to choose between paying off debt and building the emergency fund.  Do both.
The habit of putting money away is too important to put off.
You can allocate just a small percentage of your cash to the EF while you work hard on the debt, and as the debt goes down, increase the EF savings.  As jay says, relying on the credit card as the EF is not as secure as it might seem.
There is also something really heartening about having an account with a sum that keeps growing, however piddly it might be!  It&#039;s good for us, psychologically! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you need to choose between paying off debt and building the emergency fund.  Do both.<br />
The habit of putting money away is too important to put off.<br />
You can allocate just a small percentage of your cash to the EF while you work hard on the debt, and as the debt goes down, increase the EF savings.  As jay says, relying on the credit card as the EF is not as secure as it might seem.<br />
There is also something really heartening about having an account with a sum that keeps growing, however piddly it might be!  It&#8217;s good for us, psychologically! <img src='http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: kristin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>geoff and dina-
while dollar and cents wise you may be &#039;saving&#039; by paying off the debt first, but what&#039;s next.
it&#039;s logic versus the fact that you are a human being.  guess who wins!
if it&#039;s not paying off the debt what will be the next reason for not saving.  while everyone may be well intentioned, it&#039;s true and you&#039;ll never save cuz by then you will need a new car, kids schooling etc and the debt cycle will never end!  you will pay off one debt while incurring another.  you have to get ahead of your self by saving.
consider it insurance.  most fork over a good chunk every month.  consider your saving account a payment into your own personal critical insurance plan.  get a quote of critical insurance and work it into your budget and pay yourself!
you&#039;ll never get ahead of your spending if you don&#039;t save.  we had to buy a family car this year.  it felt good to pay for a $10,000 car in cash.  the people didn&#039;t believe us when we declined their loan offers.  we could have $10,000 off our mortgage, true, but we&#039;d have a car loan instead at a higher rate.  and we wouldn&#039;t have that nice happy feeling either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geoff and dina-<br />
while dollar and cents wise you may be &#8217;saving&#8217; by paying off the debt first, but what&#8217;s next.<br />
it&#8217;s logic versus the fact that you are a human being.  guess who wins!<br />
if it&#8217;s not paying off the debt what will be the next reason for not saving.  while everyone may be well intentioned, it&#8217;s true and you&#8217;ll never save cuz by then you will need a new car, kids schooling etc and the debt cycle will never end!  you will pay off one debt while incurring another.  you have to get ahead of your self by saving.<br />
consider it insurance.  most fork over a good chunk every month.  consider your saving account a payment into your own personal critical insurance plan.  get a quote of critical insurance and work it into your budget and pay yourself!<br />
you&#8217;ll never get ahead of your spending if you don&#8217;t save.  we had to buy a family car this year.  it felt good to pay for a $10,000 car in cash.  the people didn&#8217;t believe us when we declined their loan offers.  we could have $10,000 off our mortgage, true, but we&#8217;d have a car loan instead at a higher rate.  and we wouldn&#8217;t have that nice happy feeling either.</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s ok or not, but since I have a pretty good pension plan at work, I tend to think of my RRSP as my &#039;emergency fund&#039;.  If I&#039;m without work for some reason, I&#039;ll withdraw from it what I would&#039;ve been earning (and pay the tax on it).  It&#039;s all in pitiful-interest, no risk investments...

Because of the pension (assuming that I have a job till then), my retirement income will be almost the same tax bracket... so I&#039;ll be paying the tax sooner or later.

Usually, I have money on hand in annual cycles - because I save for my annual 10% mortgage pre-payment (though last year I only managed to save for 8% - boo!).  So if something happens in the months leading up to the payment, I&#039;m good for money.  But if something happens right AFTER that payment, I&#039;m tapped, and would need to draw on the RRSP.

Savings vs. Paying off credit cards:
Mathematically, it makes sense to pay off the expensive CC debt instead of putting it in an emergency savings account, especially since bank interest, pre TSFA, is taxable... reducing the amount of interest you receive even more!

BUT, and it&#039;s a BIG but - your credit card may not always be available.  The credit card company may decide (especially with the current &#039;credit crunch&#039;) to reduce your credit limit at any time - and possibly at the worst time... say, you lose your job!  So paying a premium to ensure you have the emergency fund available to you may make sense.  Personally, I wouldn&#039;t feel comfortable depending on credit cards for an emergency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s ok or not, but since I have a pretty good pension plan at work, I tend to think of my RRSP as my &#8216;emergency fund&#8217;.  If I&#8217;m without work for some reason, I&#8217;ll withdraw from it what I would&#8217;ve been earning (and pay the tax on it).  It&#8217;s all in pitiful-interest, no risk investments&#8230;</p>
<p>Because of the pension (assuming that I have a job till then), my retirement income will be almost the same tax bracket&#8230; so I&#8217;ll be paying the tax sooner or later.</p>
<p>Usually, I have money on hand in annual cycles &#8211; because I save for my annual 10% mortgage pre-payment (though last year I only managed to save for 8% &#8211; boo!).  So if something happens in the months leading up to the payment, I&#8217;m good for money.  But if something happens right AFTER that payment, I&#8217;m tapped, and would need to draw on the RRSP.</p>
<p>Savings vs. Paying off credit cards:<br />
Mathematically, it makes sense to pay off the expensive CC debt instead of putting it in an emergency savings account, especially since bank interest, pre TSFA, is taxable&#8230; reducing the amount of interest you receive even more!</p>
<p>BUT, and it&#8217;s a BIG but &#8211; your credit card may not always be available.  The credit card company may decide (especially with the current &#8216;credit crunch&#8217;) to reduce your credit limit at any time &#8211; and possibly at the worst time&#8230; say, you lose your job!  So paying a premium to ensure you have the emergency fund available to you may make sense.  Personally, I wouldn&#8217;t feel comfortable depending on credit cards for an emergency.</p>
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		<title>By: Karlene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the last 3 months, I have really started realize what was going on in my finances, and thanks to TDDUP, I am 12% on the road to being debt-free!  One thing I have always allowed for is savings.  I think savings are really important, even if it&#039;s only a small amount like $10/20 per paycheque.

I like to think of it in accounting terms.  When my paycheque is deposited into my bank account, I pay all of my bills and allocate my money accordingly.  Then I made a Net Worth Statement -- I list all of my assets to get a dollar figure for penny I have...then I list all of my liabilities to get a dollar figure for every penny I owe.  I subtract the total assets from the total liabilities to give myself a net worth.

The point I&#039;m trying to make is if you&#039;re putting some money towards savings, instead of directly on debt, you are helping your financial situation.  Not only are you working towards a saving or emergency fund, in case something goes wrong (and it probably will), but you are creating assets for yourself that you can use, instead of always being at $0, and scurrying to pay down the debt as quickly as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the last 3 months, I have really started realize what was going on in my finances, and thanks to TDDUP, I am 12% on the road to being debt-free!  One thing I have always allowed for is savings.  I think savings are really important, even if it&#8217;s only a small amount like $10/20 per paycheque.</p>
<p>I like to think of it in accounting terms.  When my paycheque is deposited into my bank account, I pay all of my bills and allocate my money accordingly.  Then I made a Net Worth Statement &#8212; I list all of my assets to get a dollar figure for penny I have&#8230;then I list all of my liabilities to get a dollar figure for every penny I owe.  I subtract the total assets from the total liabilities to give myself a net worth.</p>
<p>The point I&#8217;m trying to make is if you&#8217;re putting some money towards savings, instead of directly on debt, you are helping your financial situation.  Not only are you working towards a saving or emergency fund, in case something goes wrong (and it probably will), but you are creating assets for yourself that you can use, instead of always being at $0, and scurrying to pay down the debt as quickly as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle H</title>
		<link>http://gailvazoxlade.com/blog/archives/249/comment-page-1#comment-3036</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except for my mortgage, I&#039;ve been debt free for 7 years.  Having an emergency fund has helped me stay that way.  Recently I&#039;ve bumped the fund from 3 to 6 mos of essential living expenses using many of the techniques that Marie has listed above.

I started the fund while paying off my debt and it was empowering to pay for emergencies from the meagre fund while I was building it up than it was to fund the emergency with credit.

Car expenses/emergencies have always been kept separate, once the payments are up, I transfer 3/4 of the former monthly payment into a &quot;car account&quot; and repairs, maintenance and downpayment from the next car come from there.

It took me 4 years to get out of debt and I can assure you it is worth the effort.  Emergency funds are crucial.  Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except for my mortgage, I&#8217;ve been debt free for 7 years.  Having an emergency fund has helped me stay that way.  Recently I&#8217;ve bumped the fund from 3 to 6 mos of essential living expenses using many of the techniques that Marie has listed above.</p>
<p>I started the fund while paying off my debt and it was empowering to pay for emergencies from the meagre fund while I was building it up than it was to fund the emergency with credit.</p>
<p>Car expenses/emergencies have always been kept separate, once the payments are up, I transfer 3/4 of the former monthly payment into a &#8220;car account&#8221; and repairs, maintenance and downpayment from the next car come from there.</p>
<p>It took me 4 years to get out of debt and I can assure you it is worth the effort.  Emergency funds are crucial.  Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, sorry!  I forgot 15% for transportation!</description>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pie chart of expenses from take-home pay:
15% debts
10% savings: emergency fund, long-term savings, RRSP
25% life
35% shelter

Notice that the emergency fund does not come from the debt repayment allocation!

Once debt is done, catch up on your long-term savings (wish list) and RRSP (if it suits your financial situation), you have 15% of your income to reorganize!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pie chart of expenses from take-home pay:<br />
15% debts<br />
10% savings: emergency fund, long-term savings, RRSP<br />
25% life<br />
35% shelter</p>
<p>Notice that the emergency fund does not come from the debt repayment allocation!</p>
<p>Once debt is done, catch up on your long-term savings (wish list) and RRSP (if it suits your financial situation), you have 15% of your income to reorganize!</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Savings versus paying off more debt:
I believe in 3-months of savings (MANDATORY EXPENSES ONLY: food, shelter, financial obligations, and stuff you CHOOSE you must have) while paying off debt and 6 months afterwards.
If you loose your job, your union goes on strike, or you get sick, all minimum payments must be made in order to maintain a decent credit score.  If you must move for a new job, what is the cost of the move?  If you must pay for something which is to be reimbursed, but the money does not come right away, how is your budget?
The peace of mind is great.  Job-wise, it is not stable for me.  Life-wise, tough year for unexpected/greater-than-expected expenses.  Emergency fund came in very handy.  Budgetting for regular savings towards an emergency means that it is easy to replenish the fund.
So how are you going to pay for the basics if something happens?
The &#039;mandatory expenses&#039; are great at making you think what is really important in your budget and your life.  Priorities!

What I would like to separate into two accounts: emergency versus cashflow account (expected expenses which occur only occasionally).  I have to get to that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Savings versus paying off more debt:<br />
I believe in 3-months of savings (MANDATORY EXPENSES ONLY: food, shelter, financial obligations, and stuff you CHOOSE you must have) while paying off debt and 6 months afterwards.<br />
If you loose your job, your union goes on strike, or you get sick, all minimum payments must be made in order to maintain a decent credit score.  If you must move for a new job, what is the cost of the move?  If you must pay for something which is to be reimbursed, but the money does not come right away, how is your budget?<br />
The peace of mind is great.  Job-wise, it is not stable for me.  Life-wise, tough year for unexpected/greater-than-expected expenses.  Emergency fund came in very handy.  Budgetting for regular savings towards an emergency means that it is easy to replenish the fund.<br />
So how are you going to pay for the basics if something happens?<br />
The &#8216;mandatory expenses&#8217; are great at making you think what is really important in your budget and your life.  Priorities!</p>
<p>What I would like to separate into two accounts: emergency versus cashflow account (expected expenses which occur only occasionally).  I have to get to that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Melaniesd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melaniesd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff, I also have mixed thoughts on savings vrs debt. I have found it personally comforting to have some savings started (it&#039;s little right now but growing!). If I simply focus on the debt and no savings I think I&#039;ll fall back into the using credit habit.

By focusing on saving for what I want while I work on paying down my debt, I&#039;m teaching myself to enjoy delayed gratification and the joys of having some money in the bank instead of feeling bad about myself when I have $0.38 in my account before payday.

I&#039;ve had several instances where I focused on paying off my debt and had no savings only to turn back to the credit cards and fall back into the same debt cycle. So now I&#039;m trying to find a balance and hopefully continue to pretentd I don&#039;t have credit cards!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff, I also have mixed thoughts on savings vrs debt. I have found it personally comforting to have some savings started (it&#8217;s little right now but growing!). If I simply focus on the debt and no savings I think I&#8217;ll fall back into the using credit habit.</p>
<p>By focusing on saving for what I want while I work on paying down my debt, I&#8217;m teaching myself to enjoy delayed gratification and the joys of having some money in the bank instead of feeling bad about myself when I have $0.38 in my account before payday.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had several instances where I focused on paying off my debt and had no savings only to turn back to the credit cards and fall back into the same debt cycle. So now I&#8217;m trying to find a balance and hopefully continue to pretentd I don&#8217;t have credit cards!</p>
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		<title>By: Melaniesd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melaniesd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alicia, I also nickname my accounts and allocate certain funds for certain things. It&#039;s great! Why not have several accounts? It doesn&#039;t have to cost you anything to have that service available.

I&#039;m also going to start a Christmas/gift account at the end of the year. I&#039;m doing well to pay for Christmas this year without going into debt but it would be nice to not have to come out of my dayd to day spending money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alicia, I also nickname my accounts and allocate certain funds for certain things. It&#8217;s great! Why not have several accounts? It doesn&#8217;t have to cost you anything to have that service available.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also going to start a Christmas/gift account at the end of the year. I&#8217;m doing well to pay for Christmas this year without going into debt but it would be nice to not have to come out of my dayd to day spending money.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dinah, I was just about to write what you wrote re: putting aside savings even though it means paying interest on money owed (which far exceeds the interest paid on savings) but in a previous posting Gail was pretty adamanent that it makes the most sense to always concentrate on paying down the debt with the highest interest rate and most people seemed to agree with her.

You could make the argument that paying down your existing debt is like building up an emergency fund (if you think of it as an equation, like Savings = The room you&#039;re clearing on your credit limit which you leave open for an emergency) with the added benefit of lowering your interest payments.

I personally have issues with this but mathematically it makes the most sense to liquidate savings which pay low interest to pay off debts which charge high interest. Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dinah, I was just about to write what you wrote re: putting aside savings even though it means paying interest on money owed (which far exceeds the interest paid on savings) but in a previous posting Gail was pretty adamanent that it makes the most sense to always concentrate on paying down the debt with the highest interest rate and most people seemed to agree with her.</p>
<p>You could make the argument that paying down your existing debt is like building up an emergency fund (if you think of it as an equation, like Savings = The room you&#8217;re clearing on your credit limit which you leave open for an emergency) with the added benefit of lowering your interest payments.</p>
<p>I personally have issues with this but mathematically it makes the most sense to liquidate savings which pay low interest to pay off debts which charge high interest. Thoughts?</p>
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